There's a number "1" above the serial number on the base, which is indicative of police issued magazines, as the police numbered their magazines this way. It should be noted that the World of Lugers Proof Marks 1977 by S. Constanzo, page 108 pictured E/Mg10 eagle is a different style from the subject E/Mg10 eagle. circumference edge, circular collar past the sight block/blade, However, no Police bayonets, in general, were issue items, so they would be more "service" items, rather than dress. The note below is from Jim Cate and was posted on the NAPCA Forum. arms of this police force were a source of comflict with the IMKK, who Estimated Price: $ 5,500 - $ 7,500 Price Realized: Details Scarce German 1936, Dated S/42 Code Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Two Matching Magazines and 1936 Dated Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue Grip: walnut checkered Stock: Item Views: 9264 Pictured is one such P08 police grip strap example, compared against variation 1 muzzle protector 2866, where no additional marks were added. an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster, an extremely rare circa 1930s Prussian State Schutzpolizei Police Nickel Silver, yet veryfew examples of a Police Officer or group, Weimar photos that shows groups of NCO Police with a mix of ordinary belt buckles and rectangular box style Weimar Prussian eagles. view 2 and view 3. He should conscientiously fulfill his obligations, should be professional in his measures, be in touch with the public, but also act strictly against obvious violations, on the other hand avoid all incidents or even abuses by which the mood of a considerable part of the population is even more against those Police are involved when it is unfortunately already the case. Regarding the use of the police cleaning rod in the field it can be used without the barrel affixed Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector. In the publication History Writ in Steel by Don Maus 2009, chapter 6, page 86, Figure 6-6 discusses and shows a similar marked, cut-back artillery holster, unfortunately, showing only the holster marking, not the holster, leaving the exact configuration of the holster unknown, thus making the subject, uniquely modified holster, the only known published example. Polizei-Verwaltung Halle A/S.=Police Administration Halle A/S. information presented here, but they indicate which unit(s) the materiel The Ingolstadt HZa was the only one to have a production code, I believe it was "jlj." stamping for another letter or number, but since the upper portion of the left side rectangle enclosure line is partially obscured by the steel washer, resulting in a light stamping, missing a possible letter or number, which is a result of stamping too close to the underside washer, securing the cover flap steel stud. Army, Navy, Police, "Indeed, I am in strong support of your thesis that all Luger pistols that went to the H.P contract were produced and delivered by DWM in 1929. Faded roman numeral ink stampings on the inside cover flap indicate Imperial army, possibly depot origins. The holster, shown with pistol, is unusual as it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. This was naturally discontinued with the dissolution of the Additionally, based on Pictured is another variation 1 style police S. B. included provisions for two spare magazines, cleaning rod, box of period ammunition and a loading tool. I am interested in the following symbols on the bottom side of the magazine, too. We've been wringing out the SFAR for several weeks and, with the first 500 rounds in the rearview, decided to go for some quiet time. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei), 1922. by Igorak89 07 May 2016, 13:07, Post A 1914 Gustav Reinhardt Berlin example 1 and a 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example 2. Was it a difference in caliber or what is obvious that I am missing. ad[4]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/oldbrigade.jpg'; or Schutzpolizei Hannover district as clearly stamped, curiously, on the inside of the cover flap, along with a 1920's S. H. 133. marking and in Berlin as indicated by the S.B. There are at least two examples, as of this writing of a cut-back artillery Luger holster, where there is no doubt that a multiple conversion was done for, and specifically assigned to, and marked by the German Police. ad[1]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Cash1.jpg'; 2 Policing Germany, including Police Unit Marks Chapt. As always, I'm not responsible for any inaccuracies in the data, just for aware or familiar with that accessory, which is understandable, as TBLAP The holster front is stamped L.Z.A. Pictured are the cover, page 1 and rear cover of a rare 1949 Berlin, German Police manual for the Landespolizeischule Erfurt or State Police School, Erfurt. The added belt loops are based on two other, more extensively converted artillery to police holsters discussed below. Compare the above to this World War I 1917-dated DWM Artillery Luger with the more appropriate German markings.. Shown is an apparently cold police officer in front of a Weimar era Polizeiwache or Police Station with the final, second pattern design police holster. (For more information, consult The Imperial German He must have the intellectual armament for his exercise of the environment so completely that he always meets the right. the vast majority of Weimar era Police wore plain belt buckles. Otherwise, the magazine has no proof stamps or markings besides the serial number. Landjaegerei (rural constabulary), Assigned to Die moisten sind veraltet: andererseits sind in neuerer Zeit so viele Vorschriften hinzugetommem, gass es fr den Unfnger schwer ift, das Richtige herauszufinden. officially discontinued. One of GT's luger mounts arrived a couple of days ago. Many combinations of eagles and numbers are noted. SIG Sauer Tango MSR Optic Review: Your Value & Performance LPVO. Weimar era Police cleaning rods are easily identified by their 7-ring wooden barrel type handles vs. the Imperial era artillery LP.08 and navy P.04 with their 6-ring wooden barrel type wooden handles. 2. J. The instruction manual is pictured and other interesting details are described in. The 662V serial number described in the text caption was substituted with 873V. A 108 is found in the upper right backside corner, what could be considered a Police serial marking? The Fraktur typefaces were particularly heavily used during the rise of Nazism, when they were initially represented as true German script. 1 Making Modern Germany Chapt. We talked to a subject matter expert who repairs WW1 / WW2 h Opinion 1: I have come across a very nice WW1 style holster that has some unusual markings. Ventura, CA 93006, USA.) Lot 0478, Jan 14, 2023. - Kommando Wuertzburg, Kraftfahr-Sonderabteilung, Army, Navy, Police. (May indicate manufacture or rework.) The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in You can see this on the subject bayonet as the fuller runs almost to the end of the blade, whereas with the original blade length, the fuller would have stopped well before the tip. He should work on the internal corsage, promote public security, order and tranquility and, above all, give every citizen the opportunity to fulfill his moral duty to exercise his intellectual and physical strength to the full. He should conscientiously fulfill his obligations, should be professional in his measures, be in touch with the public, but also act strictly against obvious violations, on the other hand avoid all incidents or even abuses by which the mood of a considerable part of the population is even more against those Police are involved when it is unfortunately already the case. Nevertheless, cut-back artillery Luger holsters are inexplicably associated with the new police cleaning rods and appears self-evident that possibly, some of the new design police cleaning rods with brass stops were carried in the attached cleaning rod pouches of the converted LP.08 artillery to police holsters, and they also could be found in police stations. that the Schutzpolizei had a military character. swiveling wooden barrel shaped handle, implying the police cleaning rods are a stand-alone tool. The second being a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger 9754r that is forward gripstrap police marked lengthwise S. M. 1704. or (Prussia) Schutzpolizei Mnster 1074 - Protection Police, Mnster district 7. German Small Arms Markings From Authentic Sources by J. 1/11/23 - This is an original WW2 era production Luger magazine. Get Guns.com offers and news!! unmarked commercial Police style holsters have been identified. two-step attachment process, requiring 1) a threaded, slotted, circular Item Information. 1644 of the 49th centuria within II command, Dusseldorf (S.D. It is curious that the Hannover Police markings, S. Hn. Polizeiwehr revolutionaries. These HZA markings, excluding the WaAJL16 stampings which, as Costanzo states was specifically used by police forces guarding warehouses operated by the Heerszeugment. This is a standard 1934 Model gun designated by collectors as the '39 Mauser Police Banner that was ordered from Mauser for the Police use. Opening the loading tool cover flap reveals the original brown leather. Example 1. There is no Police tool in the holster. The wooden cased German pistol cleaning kits were, apparently, not made exclusively for the P.08 Luger as a 1946 German police instruction manual titled: Die Pistolen der Polizie, dated Dresden 1946 specifically lists several pistols, including the P.08, although other pistols listed are mostly 7.65 mm caliber, all used by the German Police after WW2. I saw a police luger today marked of the grip strap with L. St.116. This is a Luger P08 without Nazi markings! Maybe it was a rework from the 20's or 30's. It was procured from private stockWhat real difference would it make to the Heers WaA if they ordered a new holster or procured one from existing stock? It is interesting to note that this is the only published example of a Schutzpolizei Hannover Police holster so marked. the subject cut-back artillery LP.08 holster to P.08 holster police marked S.B. There are impression lines around this WaA both top and bottom where the edges of the stamp have struck the leather. Spain controlled two small mountainous sections of Northern Morocco that were separated by a bay. The frame tells us that it was an artillery (200mm barrel) and has had the barrel replaced by Simson & Co., the only one authorized to build Lugers after the great war by the treaty of Versailles. Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces. The subject WaAJL16 stamped Police style holster is the first one of two noted examples with the second WaAJL16 stamped holster being a P.08 Army style holster which has generated much collector speculation and opining. The subject Police holster E/Mg10 stamping is recognized by collectors as authentic, based on three examples seen on WwMg/41 dated WW2 military issued P08 holsters. The seller states that: It is said this marking was used to indicate issue to security guards at military installations. It is, therefore, hard to imagine that the lower positioned brass stud, affixed to the original cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, despite its thicker base, is a replacement of non-German origin. The production outlet was 100 pistols a day during that time. Barrel proof, some 1920 Police and Double Dated Lugers. The E/WaAJL16 is, by all accounts to date, similar to, or a variation of, the acceptance stamp for Factory Guard/Werkschutz issue. Please report any errors to me. WWI). As a result, the young police officers are faced with new tasks, which prove to be all the more difficult since the new police not only ward off the risks of political and economic struggles, but above all are supposed to be brought back to their actual previous activities. introduced sometime in the late 1920s, and later in the early 1930s, many being police acceptance marked on the shaft. 2 St 16 - item 16 of the 2nd patrol unit. (BSP) (Railway Protection Police) as identified by ink stampings located on the inside cover flap being BAHN SCHUTZ and RBD/Rbd (ReichsBahnDirektionen) ESSEN (RUHR). Bayern (Bavarian Police Defense Force), Identification of individual units or independent centuria within an for WWII , Hitler ordered the production of Lugers. German Police Lugers and their markings 1918-1958 by Edward B. Tinker and Dwight Gruber; 2012 by the German authorities from the Imperial and Weimar eras, and is an 413 or Landjgerei Gumbinnen; view 1 and view 2. letters and numbers, and the information presented here addresses just With the reorganization of the police carried out on 6 October 1920, the factual responsibility of the new police has been considerably expanded. It is fortunate that both books stayed together since 1921 and were acquired as a set. centered in the federal states of Prussia, Bavaria, Baden, Wuerttemberg, Mfg Part Number. 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