One of the challenges is finding instructors who can teach in it whether its tailwheel or aerobatic. But the Cessna 150 is not unsafe by any means. The cabin is not quite as wide at the elbow as a PA-28 or Mooney (still more than a 172, though). Attention Cessna 172 Club Members! Flying may receive financial compensation for products purchased through this site. To provide a more up-to-date cost perspective, the Wild River Flying Club in Osceola, WI operates a 1979 Citabria with a 150-hp Lycoming O-320. This effectively provides Tiger speed and climb performance at the price closer to that of a Cheetah. Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by WVTexan, Nov 21, 2013. Its nimble in the air, seats four, and has a good cruising speed with minimal fuel burn. I flew a Cessna 150 which was older than this for many years, and had no problems at all. Its roll rate is faster than a Piper or Cessna. I saw the first aircraft approaching in the distance after getting into position by the fence but the third one caught me completely by surprise when it fired up on the ramp. Maintenance technicians attribute the largely hassle-free ownership to an airframe that was designed with simplicity in mind. Tiger The AA-5 series serves as an interesting alternative to the comparable Cessna and Piper models that make up the general aviation fleet. Die Grumman-Tiger-Familie im Steckbrief AG-5B haben eine praktische, auf beiden Seiten aufklappbare Cowling und ein verbessertes Heizungs- und Lftungssystem. If you had a Tiger without the autopilot, its not going to be quite as stable as a 172 or a 182. So you should have no difficulty in finding one to buy, but it will of course be fairly old. Small ruder for X wind landing, more than one landed on nose wheel and met their demise not that other aircraft don't. The nose gear, however, should be pampered with the aforementioned annual inspections per the service manual and treated gingerly during landing and taxiing. However, I would buy the plane just for fun. The Flying Educators isan equity clubfounded in 1962based at Ft. Lauderdale Executive Airport (KFXE). Enter your Username and Password to log in. They charge $90 an hour wet. Stalling and spinning are very benign in both types. The Tiger was the outcome of the same redesign work on the AA-5 Traveler that resulted in the 150 hp (110 kW) Cheetah and it was originally little more than the same aircraft with a Lycoming O-360-A4K 180 hp (130 kW) engine, resulting in a 139-knot (257 km/h) cruise speed. At the end of the day, Greg noted that most members fly solo or with only one passenger and, for that reason, the airplane has to be fun to fly, and it is. Get the Tiger, you local flights will get boring after 100 hours and you'll want to stretch out to further destinations. Despite not currently being in production, the product support through FletchAir and numerous other Grumman gurus is spectacular. Fuse to Circuit Breakers - Grumman Style: Replacing your old fuse holders with Klixon 7277-2 series circuit breakers. ). If you have an autopilot, its a wonderful cross-country bird, Greg said. The plane cruised at around 115 mph and had about a 20-gallon fuel tank, Greg recalled. If you have four people, filling up to the tabs provides 38 gallons of fuel, and you should be fine for most cross-country flights. Otherwise, owners report that the AA-5 family is largely free of issues, and they enjoy great support and parts availability from companies such as Excel-Air Services in Indiana and Fletchair in Texas. Not quite ready to buy yet, but for the right deal https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grumman-gang, Santa Rosita State Park, under the big 'W', E38F0B5E-2ED1-4B77-ADA8-8CE1FC154C26.jpeg, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. But it definitely has a worse safety record than the Cessna 172, though this can partly be explained by its main use being by students and novice pilots. Enjoy!Aircraft: N474EPC172ROutro Song:Gold Skies - Liam Aidan The propulsion system of the Cheetah is absolutely identical to that in the Traveler, including the Lycoming O-320-E2G engine rated at 150HP at 2700 RPM. If your club is looking for an economical aircraft that can serve as a primary trainer and a solid cross-country platformwith good performance, the Grumman Tiger is a plane you may want to consider. youll pay a premium based on your least experienced pilot. Even with limited power (compared to 150 and 180 hp versions), and the absence of inverted fuel and oil, there were very few maneuvers appropriate for beginning aerobatic students that the airplane couldnt handle.. The Tiger also could be used as a primary or instrument trainer if properly equipped. Cessna 172. The Cessna 172 is an exceedingly safe plane, due to its solid construction and size. CTAF audio is included. I am very familiar with both these aircraft types. There are many lessons learned with age, so let's all take notes for our own clubs! Apologies for the shakiness.Aircraft: Grumman AA-5B Tiger, Cessna 172R Skyhawk \u0026 Eurocopter AS355 TwinStarTime of Day: 2:53 PMDate: November 2nd, 2022 The AA-5 series serves as an interesting alternative to the comparable Cessna and Piper models that make up the general aviation fleet. Visibility is amazing. The Tiger was designed by Grumman engineers and was first produced in late 1974 as the 1975 model. All was in order etc, just don't know much about the plane. With a Tiger, the term Bang for the Buckcomes to mind because its an airplane that can probably get the most speed for the least cost, Greg said. Autopilot, 430W, PS Engineering audio panel, JPI 830, new paint and interior. They charge $90 an hour wet. Still, I think the additional climb rate of the Tiger makes it a better choice, even if speed is not a major concern. There is a beautiful Grumman at my airport for sale. Very rugged, durable and dependable. It was this way even before I did the upgrades. Every Cessna 172 or Cherokee 140 I fly with is quickly left in the dust by a good 10 to 15 knots. Seriously, the acquisition cost is the least of his worries. Copyright 2023 Flying Media. At these airframe weights, 20hp buys a good bit of forgiveness. While the earlier AA-1s and AA-5s did not change much from year to year the AA-5B Tiger underwent almost continual improvement. The Cessna 150 is a two-seater aircraft, whereas the Cessna 172 is a lot larger than the Cessna 150, having four seats. You can pay a whole lot less for a Traveler compared to a Tiger, or get a whole lot nicer Traveler for the same money. Combined with a panoramic canopy, nimble handling, relatively modest prices and thriving owners groups, the resulting blend of strengths makes these Grummans intriguing options for new and experienced owners alike. Seemed like a decent plane. I don't think 150 nm is enough distance to justify flying. Considering pre-flight, trip time, rides to and from airports, etc., it was faster driving on any trip less than about 200 miles. The final variant of the AA-5 line was the AA-5B Tiger. They fly well and are comfortable. Approximately half are ADS-B-compliant, and most have midtime engines. The Tiger was the outcome of the same redesign work on the AA-5 Traveler that resulted in the 150 hp (110 kW) Cheetah and it was originally little more than the same aircraft . This helps tremendously because all of the cost of ownership, flight and maintenance are all shared equally among the 4 partners. Huge windows, plus the top of the glareshield is low. The Tiger was designed by Grumman engineers and was first produced in late 1974 as the 1975 model. I've never heard anyone say the sliding canopy leaks. With the assistance of aircraft designer Roy LoPresti, the airframe was cleaned up to reduce drag, the horizontal stabilizer was enlarged to increase elevator authority and expand the CG range, and fuel capacity went from 37 to 52 gallons. to this URL to reach the Pilots Place Forum. It is, nevertheless, an item to confirm during a pre-purchase inspection. Aircraft Spotlight: Comparing the Citabria and the Grumman Tiger, FAA publishes 'Aviation Weather Handbook'. Additionally, the castering nosewheel is a simpler and lighter design than those used in most Cessnas and Pipers. And a little more economically., Mike from Aero on Demand added, Besides the RV, its the fastest 180-hp airplane out there with a fixed-pitch prop. Editorial Team Cessna 172 Skyhawk. Externally the Tiger looked much like the AA-5 Traveler and AA-5A Cheetah so once again Grumman's marketing department came up with a distinctive decal package to differentiate the design this time a "galloping tiger". They are faster, handle more crisply, have a nice sliding canopy, and are a bit more unusual than offerings from other aircraft in their class from Cessna, Piper and Beech . https://www.aopa.org/go-fly/aircraft-and-ownership/aircraft-fact-sheets/cessna-150, https://executiveflyers.com/cessna-150-vs-172/, https://www.aviationconsumer.com/aircraftreviews/cessna-150/, https://singleenginepilot.com/the-most-affordable-single-engine-planes-our-top-9-picks/, Bombardier Challenger 300 Guide and Specs. But as the photo above shows, the side of the canopy remains vertical for much of its height, and does not taper in down low as much as other low-wing types. Copyright 2023 Aviator Insider | A Topsail Media Company | Powered by Astra WordPress Theme. Also See: Cessna 150 vs 172; Cessna 180 vs 185 It includes a touch-and-go,. It was a very inexpensive airplane. 2023 The Grumman Owners and Pilots Association. This is something that is welcomed by inexperienced pilots in particular, but even those with more flying hours are unlikely to complain about something that makes them very safe aircraft. Are they pretty much the same? It's faster than a 172 and carries about the same load (typically about 800-850 lb useful), but is not as tolerant of grass or extremely short runways. 157 hp is less than 5% more than the original 150 hp, and 5% is the fudge factor the FAA allows to avoid recertification. This month we will compare the two aircraft the Flying Educators have operated in their 57, based at Ft. Lauderdale Executive Airport (KFXE), . They are both all single-engined metal high-wing light aircraft, which were made in large numbers by Cessna, and aimed at the private flying and training market. Since it is a tube and fabric airplane, its best to keep it in a hangar. The Tiger has a published book cruise speed of 139 knots but owners generally plan on real-world speeds of 130 to 138 knots. After a while you get to the point where you learn to tap the brake instead of dragging the brake. Canopy is great when taxiing in the summer and in the pattern. But by all means give it a try and see how you get on. To provide a more up-to-date cost perspective, the Wild River Flying Club in Osceola, WI operates a 1979 Citabria with a 150-hp Lycoming O-320. It was largely a matter of economics, Greg said. The Cessna 172 is a lot more powerful than the Cessna 150. Being based in Florida,the Flying Educators havemany destinations within a 500-mile radius, including the Bahamas,andmembers wanted an aircraft more suited to that mission. Depends. We havent had any major problems with the Tiger., Aero on Demand said annuals without squawks. With a power setting of 2550 rpm to 2600 rpm, Mike usually cruises between 135 and 138 knots. site, simply click the Register button on the Pilots Place login page to sign The main parts supplier for Grumman aircraft is an outfit called Fletch Air, and I think theyre based in Houston, he said. The four-place Grumman AA-5 family might be one of the better-kept secrets, offering the simplicity of a Cessna 172 while approaching the cruise speed of a similarly powered Mooney. Similar four-seatGrummansinclude the 150-hp AA5 Traveler and AA5A Cheetah, and the 160-hp GA7 Cougar. He will be an excellent resource. In the year or two Greg was in the club while it operated the Citabria, there were no new members without prior tailwheel experience. Mojogrip online https://mojogrip.net Add me on Instagram https://goo.gl/U7Fcca Add me on Facebook https://goo.gl/rbjE6N Back with the second half of Krishs interview. That wood isn't 50 years old and it is glued to a steel frame including a roll cage cabin. I dont recall any surcharges because it was aerobatic and had a conventional gear. It is such an OWT there's even a guy who makes satirical videos about it. If not, then which is best? But that is what most private pilots prefer to do. Its very responsive. , The main parts supplier for Grumman aircraft is an outfit called Fletch Air, and I think theyre based in Houston, he said. This quote has been neglected and underrated for years now . The Flying Educators did routine maintenance and annuals in-house with little difficulty, Greg said. You should know that, despite the above, there are possibly more similarities than differences between the Cessna 172 and the Cessna 150. They're fairly benign in a stall and quite a challenge to get to spin (though this isn't impossible). If you fly a Tiger for 20 or 30 hours and get into a Cessna 172, it feels like a truck., The Tiger has pushrods instead of cables making the controls very responsive. up. Aero on Demand, a Houston-based club, also operates a Tiger and it is equipped with an engine monitor providing very accurate data. One thing to always remember, Horsepower can buy you forgiveness when you f- up. Ill look around later for it. With a fuel burn at cruise of around 5 GPH, she does better than my Chevy S10. The cost of ownership includes the original purchase price of the airplane, then you have you fixed cost like hangar, insurance etc. Please head over to our new home at the Pilot s Place Forum. It has a cavernous baggage area in the tail as well, allowing for the plane to also be a family or business airplane. Your login, avatars, posts and archives have all be relocated there. 180-hp Lycoming O360 burns 10 gph. And, if you are doing aerobatics, you need parachutes that need to be repacked regularly, which would add a cost. just ain't that kind of aircraft. Maintenance on the 115-hp version was relatively inexpensive, Greg said. If my friend buys it, I'll get a checkout from the current owner, who is a CFI before we start working in it. Our Citabria wasnt re-covered during the time Flying Educators owned it, Greg said. Major overhauls were cheap. I am not very tall, and I cannot safely fly early Cessna 172s I need two cushions in order to reach the pedals and see outside clearly, and I once had one of them slip as I was about to land! I've never heard anyone say the sliding canopy leaks. If you currently have an account on Pilots Place, your login you will see the new forum. How do I And if you are in the market for a new aircraft, which one of these two should you buy? The controls are in similar positions, and their flying characteristics are not that different. Former Flying Educators Club Secretary and Treasurer Greg Utley shares his thoughts on both aircraft. The Cessna 172 is a lot heavier and more powerful than the Cessna 150, and when I did this conversion I found the Cessna 172 difficult to manage at first. It could also be used for simple aerobatic training things like aileron rolls, loops, spins, and upset recovery. Its only got two seats anda relatively small baggagecompartment, so itwould be similar to taking a 152 on a cross-country trip probably not your first choice, but certainly capable for one or two people with no bags. But, hiding in the gaps between those segments, there are some less common types that offer an intriguing blend of qualities. The Tiger I fly is 900lbs. If the full fuel payload is 580, you must be looking at one of the few built with the "standard" fuel tanks of 38 gal total/37 gal usable like the Travelers had. Jason McDowell. Helen has worked as an instructor for several years, flying throughout Europe and the US. They can provide anything for the airplanewheels, wheel pants, windshields, cowlings, anything you need for a Tiger or similar Grumman aircraftthey can provide.. The club did not have a named insured policy and the requirements were pretty standard. The Main Differences Between the Piper Archer and Cessna 172. The Citabria breed has an AD requiring a one-time inspection of the wooden spar where they have to check it for cracks. We have Insurance for our 1979 Citabria (Model 7-ECA) was $870 in 89 and had risen to $2,195 when we sold it in 95, Greg said. The hull is insured at $65,000 with $1 million liability. It seems unique. Our 115-hpCitabriawas a fun, inexpensive aircraft that provided very stable air and ground handling for lower time pilots and entry-level aerobatic capabilities for more experienced pilots, Greg said. People tend to step on the seats just a problem of not knowing how to get in the plane, I believe the wing is a time life item and the end of the plane. Bill & Carol Scott, who own the high-compression STC, don't have the resources to do the full testing and certification protocol themselves, so the modified Cheetah is artificially limited to 157 hp to conform to the original specs. you have to plan for fabric recovery and fabric repair. If you have not yet registered, you can. Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited. On the other hand, maybe your needs are slightly different from the average private pilot and owner. Through various ownership changes, such as Bellanca and now American Champion Aircraft Corporation, the simple, well-liked design has continued on with additional variations being produced such as the Decathlon and Scout. Between 4,000 feet and 10,000 feet, depending on temperature, it gets between 8.3 gph to 9.2 gph. Approachable Aircraft: Grumman AA-5 Series. He can be found on Instagram as @cessnateur. So what are both these Cessna aircraft like to fly? I must admit to being biased here. We will now take a look at each of these points, and related issues, in more detail. Thank you for being a part of the Cessna 172 Club! front so youve got good visibility, and, like the Champ it is derived from, it is an easy, forgiving airplane. Free shipping . Unless you want to go off airport. Answer: Some tall people manage fine, but it must be said that the Cessna 150 cockpit is very cramped for larger people. But I'm not sure you can do the same to a Traveler. Many products featured on this site were editorially chosen. Which engine did he install? The Cessna 172 Skyhawk is an American four-seat, single-engine, high wing, fixed-wing aircraft made by the Cessna Aircraft Company. Insurance for our 1979 Citabria (Model 7-ECA) was $870 in 89 and had risen to $2,195 when we sold it in 95, Greg said. Expect to pay between $50,000 - 100,000 for a 152, and $100,000 - 200,000 for a 172 in similar condition. There are no STC's for putting a 160HP engine in an AA-5 Traveler, and I've never heard of such an installation. If your club is looking for an economical aircraft that can serve as a primary trainer and a solid cross-country platform. In 1976, the AA-5 Traveler was replaced with the AA-5A Cheetah. the Forgot Password link. Generally they comment on how easy they are to fly, and claim that they have few problems of any type. So if you plan to take the family on holiday or something similar, the Cessna 172 is probably what you will need. ", Surprisingly, the Citabria was used for cross-country trips more often than you would think, but only if arrival time requirements werent challenging, Greg said. Among the most valuable resources available to Grumman owners are the bustling owners groups. Nicest one Ive ever seen. News From HQ: Old, New, and You. I don't know the details of his financial situation, but I think he could pop for a Tiger without breaking a sweat. They're decent airplanes overall. It all comes down to what your mission is. Greg noted that on a named. What are the main differences between them? On the other hand, smaller people may struggle to fly the Cessna 172, particularly earlier models. Or you might prefer the Grumman AA5B, or perhaps the Diamond DV20/DA20 Katana, Ercoupe 415-C, or Diamond DA40 Star, all of which are said to be safe and easy to fly. Three or four of the 10 members would use it for aerobatics a lot. Greg said. You all are so wrong. In the year or two Greg was in the club while it operated the Citabria, there were no new members without prior tailwheel experience. You cant go wrong with either a Citabria or a Grumman Tiger in your club. The Cessna 172, on the other hand, is still being produced. It is about the same in terms of safety as other similar light aircraft. The reason Flying Educators switched from, country flying. Like any aerodynamically efficient airframe, proper speed management is important on approach and landing. 1. first Tiger policy premium was $2,360 in 1996, which was slightly higher than the Citabria. There should be few problems with maintenance for either of these aircraft types. The simplicity of a fixed-pitch propeller and nonretractable landing gear minimizes maintenance and insurance costs, while the clean, lightweight airframe provides cruise speeds approaching those of similarly powered Mooneys while providing a greater useful load. Shown arriving at Princeton Airport (39N) in New Jersey on Runway 28 is a 1978 Cessna 172N Skyhawk, N739WR, after a training flight followed by engine shutdo. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Pilots Operating Handbook Grumman Tiger at the best online prices at eBay! . The hierarchy of personal general aviation aircraft types has, over the years, come to be defined by certain mainstays. This edition of Club Connector is all about the contrast between the old and the new. So this might well decide things for you. The Citabria wins this category over the Tiger without question. Sitting in tandem provides an excellent view, and youre probably more likely to land on grass and go places you might not in a Cherokee or 172, which just adds to the experience. It also has a faster speed and a better range. But in the mid-90s, they decided to make a change[see this months Club Spotlight]. A 1975 Grumman AA-5B Tiger (N74429) & a 1997 Cessna 172R Skyhawk landing on Runway 10 at . Help me understand the wing structure. The Citabria breed has an AD requiring a one-time inspection of the wooden spar where they have to check it for cracks. Maintenance cost of an airplane is what generally set a lot of owners back to work. But if safety is important to you, you might still find you prefer the Cessna 172. The Cessna 172. Cheetahs are around 850lbs. The Aircraft Spotlight feature looks at an airplane type and evaluates it across six areas of particular interest to flying clubs and their members: Operating Cost, Maintenance, Insurability, Training, Cross-Country, and Fun Factor. Devoid of rivets and corrugated aluminum, its the secret behind the AA-5s speed. Click Insurance companies are all familiar with both these aircraft, so their charges are likely to be reasonable. I've already got a bird that will eat a Tiger up.. Its hard to beat a tandem seat aerobatic aircraft when it comes to fun. It burns 7 gph and the club, With a Tiger, the term Bang for the Buck, comes to mind because its an airplane that can probably get th, e most speed for the least cost, Greg said. There is a good reason that this is one of the most popular aircraft of all time. Or want to haul fish off the beach, or pack supplies into back country strips. Cessna Cessna 172 Technical Specifications Exterior Exterior Height: 8 ft 8 in Wing Span: 35 ft 8 in Length: 26 ft 9 in Interior Cabin Volume: 55 cu ft Internal Baggage: 30 cu ft Occupancy Crew: 1 Passengers: 3 Operating Weights Max T/O Weight: 2400 Lb Max Landing Weight: 2400 Lb Operating Weight: 1666 Lb Empty Weight: 1454 Lb I only have time in the AA1X series, the baby brother of the tiger, the canopy design I think is one of the better ones in GA, no issues, the free castor nose wheel was great for ground handling, nice shock absorbing and strong fiberglass mains, good fuel tank system, etc. The American Yankee Association is the original type club and holds regular events, including an annual convention. New and experienced pilots alike enjoy Grummans fiberglass main gear, describing it as robust and forgiving. Members only needed a current medical, current flight review, CFI checkout with logbook entry for the club aircraft make and model, and at least 10 hours in tailwheel aircraft. If you dont have an existing login on the Cessna 172 Club Indeed, unlike most comparable aircraft, there are no moving parts inside of an AA-5s wingall flap and aileron actuation is achieved via easily accessible torque tubes upon which each control surface pivots. It could also be used for simple aerobatic training things like aileron rolls, loops, spins, and upset recovery. Some smaller pilots struggle to fly the Cessna 172, while some large people find they have problems in the Cessna 150, The Cessna 172 is more expensive to buy, and also to hire, than the Cessna 150, Although both types are very safe, the Cessna 172 is said to be significantly safer. It continued to look good until it was sold. First flown in 1955, more 172s have been built than any other aircraft. AA-5 Traveler & AA-5A Cheetah Competitive Comparison, AA-5B & AG-5B Tiger Competitive Comparison, Pilot Familiarization Program Instructors. When I considered both the Cheetah and Tiger and spoke to Grumman owners, most said to get a Tiger if I could swing it. Depending on how much exposure it has to the sun, it will need to be replaced generally about every 25 to 30 years. ne cruised at around 115 mph and had about a 20-gallon fuel tank, Greg recalled. Topping the range is the AA-5B Tiger, which entered production as a 1975 model and differed from the Cheetah primarily by being equipped with the more powerful 180 hp Lycoming O-360. Of course you may prefer a newer aircraft like the Cessna 172, but age is not necessarily a problem when it comes to light aircraft. This appealing blend can be found elsewhere, but few options supplement it with the robust network of parts, service and support enjoyed by Grumman owners. If your club wants to offer something different yet cost effective, a Citabria can help attract members who want to earn a tailwheel endorsement or do some aerobatic flying. Jason McDowell is a private pilot and Cessna 170 owner based in Madison, Wisconsin. The clubwanted an airplane better suited for cross-country travelandthey settled on the Grumman AA5B Tiger. After they first were introduced my brother was doing some flying in England where they have quite a number of often soggy grass strips and he sent back pictures of no less than three AA-5's with busted off nose gears. It was largely a matter of economics, Greg said. I hang my head in shame. Youre going to get more airspeed out of a Tiger than youre going to get out of most four-place aircraft in that category, Greg said. Guy has over 100K in it and he is selling for 57K. , the members were used to something light and agile on the controls. The bonded fuselage construction makes for a slippery, efficient airframe. , which as you know is fully aerobatic, Greg said. Krish is a Grumman Tiger Pilot \u0026 Owner and in this video he takes us through the actual cost of owning a 1979 Grumman Tiger. UBB Message. I did. Finding a good mechanic that has tube and fabric experience and expertise is important, and it could be a little more challenging to find than someone used to working on 172s or Cherokees. Does he have it on Barnstormers, Trade a Plane etc. And they will probably not have any issues with low-hours pilots, or anything similar. Your time savings are going to be marginal if anything. Hi, Eddie, I'm at KHWO, too! 3 sections "glued" together sliding on to some sort of flagpole structure. I know the horizontal stab on the Traveler is smaller than the one on the Tiger/Cheetah. 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